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heavensqueen wrote in yuletide_coal
Yuletide is firing up the ovens already. Discuss the discussion about the changes of rules here


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Controversial Opinions

(Anonymous)
1 - Yuletide is whatever the current mods want it to be. It does not belong to the participants, no matter how hard we whine to get our way. If the mods decide the only fandoms that qualify are those that happened between 1850 and 1860 with qualifying characters only those whose names start with J, then that's their call. It's their fest and they can limit it or expand it however the hell they want.

2 - Fans pissed about the borderline cases and the obscure "not your character" calls not only can but should start their own fests, and they should start the groundwork now. The comics fans are upset about this property allowed in but not this character from this one, fine, revive JBBS or start a similar new one that allows all comics characters. This is the time to gauge interest and figure out rules. Comics fans get the fics and characters they want, and Yuletide yearly wank isn't consumed by how convoluted the rules need to be to exclude Steve/Tony but allow the real Gwen Stacy. Same with the anime fans and the manga fans and the Sherlock Holmes adaptation fans who sincerely believe the Elementary Sherlock Holmes is obscure. You want to have a fest where the character will be allowed, and allow book verse and Study in Emerald, but no BBC Sherlock? Start it now, make that the rule, and start advertising. The truly rare fandoms can still be a part of the rare fandoms fest, and we all get more fic in the bargain.

Yuletide was never meant to be everything to every fan. Stop trying to shove more in, and start branching out instead.

All that said, I would miss the wank but the trade would be worth it.

Re: Controversial Opinions

(Anonymous)
I actually agree with point 1 entirely. You're completely right.

Point 2 however is bullshit, and for one very important reason, namely that Yuletide claims to be pan-fandom, with all genres and mediums equally welcome, only qualifier being rarity. Until the mods explicitly change that (see point 1) then they need to keep accommodating everyone they have invited to the party, however annoying they may be. And that does require treating them consistently.

My controversial opinion: the Yuletide rules aren't actually that complicated in the majority of cases. Most people get their noms, requests and offers done easily. Those people should just be grateful, and let the ones that do have borderline issues make their case to the mods without their interference.

Re: Controversial Opinions

(Anonymous)
Mods are allowed to do what they want in their own fest, but people are allowed to express their concern if they feel there is unfair treatment in accordance with the rules the mods decided on.

Also, it's not like running a fest is something every person has time for. Most people who do Yuletide just want to write a fic, not start a fest, make the rules, go through nominations, assign pairs, send out pinch hits, etc. Saying that someone has no right to complain unless they start their own fest to remedy the complaint is like saying someone can't criticize a book until they're a published author. Obviously publishing a novel is harder than starting a fest, but both take more work than what the person set out to do in the first place. The mods can do what they want, and participants can criticize if they want.

Re: Controversial Opinions

(Anonymous)
Of course 1 is true. If at any point the mods said that "we want Yuletide to be a only rare book, movie and TV exchange", okay. I'd be sad for two of my little fandoms, but it's their decision. It's their exchange they can end it if they don't want to do it anymore. That happens. But as long as they say they allow in all rare fandoms people will expect that they really mean all rare fandoms.

But your second point makes me shake my head. Yeah, why shouldn't everyone just run their own fest for everything? Rare movies should have their own fest! Five minute fandoms! Rare books! We can also all just stop doing exchanges and make separate kink memes for everything. Problem solved, or what? I don't think so. Not everyone who thinks comics were treated unfairly is in Yuletide to ONLY request comics or only SHERLOCK HOLMES fandoms and would be interested in any of the exchanges you propose. Maybe we are just in it for rare FANDOMS of which we usually request more than one if I remember correctly. I'm sure there are people who only request only books, or only comics or only movies with Chris Evans in them; but do they harm anyone? I don't think so.

People are not asking the mods for something horribly unreasonable. They are asking them to make a consistent rule that isn't based on the way AO3 wrangles character tags and without basing rules on made up differences, just because some people are paranoid about everyone being secretly plotting to secretly sneak juggernauts into Yuletide. Make a consistent, unbiased rule and stick to it for everyone.

Re: Controversial Opinions

(Anonymous)
There is a comics exchange for all characters, fyi - it's called Beyond Panels. beyondpanels.livejournal.com

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