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heavensqueen wrote in yuletide_coal
Yuletide is firing up the ovens already. Discuss the discussion about the changes of rules here


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Elseworlds/Canon AUs

(Anonymous)
What do you really think of canon AUs and Elseworlds and eligibility? Is a difference between stories written/produced by separate people/entities (Elementary vs. BBC Sherlock) and stories written by the same creator AUing their own properties (where creator can be a company, etc.)?

Re: Elseworlds/Canon AUs

(Anonymous)
Uh, examples?

Re: Elseworlds/Canon AUs

(Anonymous)
Assuming you're obliquely referring to comics then no, there's no difference. Natasha Stark (the female Tony Stark of Earth 3490) if she had a full series of comics to give her her own unique characterisation would be no different a case at all to Joan Watson. [I fully acknowledge that this is not in fact the case, and since she only appears in a single panel that she would wind up either a rule 64-ed Tony or an OFC.] Likewise, teenage Tony Stark from -- is it Iron Man Armoured Adventures? -- is as different to either MCU or 616 Tony (both rightly ineligible) as Jonny Lee Miller and Benedict Cumberbatch are to each other.

Re: Elseworlds/Canon AUs

(Anonymous)
I don't see why canons AUs shouldn't be allowed. Some canon AUs are really developed, just as much as any original story would be. It would be silly to not allow them.

It's why I'm very much against the character limit. Just because two (or more) characters share a name doesn't make them the same character. I find it very frustrating when the mods (and others) don't realize that.

Re: Elseworlds/Canon AUs

(Anonymous)
I just think the character limit adds too much confusion. If a fandom's in, its characters should be in. If a fandom's out, its characters should be out.

Does that mean that an Agents of Shield type show could have Coulson nominated as a character, and someone could conceivably also ask that Clint/Coulson be a pairing despite being a juggernaut pairing of the umbrella MCU? Yes, it's possible. But honestly, I think there's this paranoia about people sneaking in non-rare ships and canons that is largely unfounded. Sure you'll get a participant who says get a cross this legitimately rare fandom with Supernatural or default every so often, but making rules to protect against something that 99% of participants don't do just makes everything more complicated than it needs to be.

Also, when that sort of extreme request happens, mods should tell the participant that their request is not in spirit of Yuletide in addition to telling the assigned writer optional details are optional.

Re: Elseworlds/Canon AUs

(Anonymous)
I agree with you one hundred percent. In an exchange with 2000 participants the handful who will try to 'game' it isn't that big of a deal. And the chances of them even getting matched on/getting that fic written is even lower.


Re: Elseworlds/Canon AUs

(Anonymous)
Agree with all of this from the bottom of my heart. And if the character is so popular anyway and presumably gets written by a mass of people all over sudden, then the fandom won't be eligible soon anyway.

Re: Elseworlds/Canon AUs

(Anonymous)
I'm a theater nonny fan, and I do think that different stage adaptions of for instance Shakespeare should qualify. If there is a video of a very specific Midsummer Night's Dream production set in the roaring twenties, that's not the same thing as the 'general
Shakespeare' version. And since optional requests are optional, it makes no sense to tell people to just go in with A Midsummer Night's Dream and ask for the West End 1997 direct-to-VHS version, where Oberon and Titania were magical gangster bosses.

Re: Elseworlds/Canon AUs

(Anonymous)
where creator can be a company?

Comics still have different writers with different ideas about characters, so I'm not sure why anyone sees a difference there. What count is that it's a different canon.

You take a concept and adapt it and out comes something new. Nobody asks the same question for non-Sherlock books that adapt known characters or for historical novels, simply because they don't have a juggernaut fandom that blows up the character tag numbers.

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