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It's gonna be a hot, hot summer
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heavensqueen wrote in yuletide_coal
Yuletide is firing up the ovens already. Discuss the discussion about the changes of rules here


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Simplicity!

(Anonymous)
I love the way a whole run of comments is now arguing to remove all exceptions and gray areas in order to "simplify" the rules. Glad ~your~ under-served fandoms are all so clear cut, guys.

Re: Simplicity!

(Anonymous)
My thoughts exactly.

I hope more people start posting, "here is my fandom, here is why I think it deserves to be in, but HERE is why when it hits the rules it goes splat."

Partly because some people need to be more imaginative and thoughtful, and partly because I imagine that others' responses will be "Okay, how about *even more complicated rule* to take care of that?"

And I will eat popcorn.

Re: Simplicity!

(Anonymous)
Some of the suggestions there would end up eliminating something like 10% of the fic written last year, and would create massive headaches of their own. (Is the TYPE-MOON Fate franchise ineligible because we're considering both it and Merlin derivative of Arthurian legend? That's a judgement call!) And then you'll get fights over how prominent and/or large in number the derivative elements have to be before you can disqualify it. That will surely end well.

Re: Simplicity!

(Anonymous)
True story: I was totally fine with the simplicity notion, thinking I would also be okay with anything I lost as a result of it since it'd be only fair, until you brought up Fate and I remembered I wanted to sign up for Fate/Zero. Now I rescind that. Everybody is right, Yuletiders are selfish.

Re: Simplicity!

(Anonymous)
Why can't they get a team of reviewers, at least one in each major fandom area (anime, manga, comics, children's books, etc.) to handle disputes with a fandom in that area? It would mean more people involved, but at least the people making the decisions would be less likely to rely on Wikipedia.

Re: Simplicity!

(Anonymous)
I wish we could get new, wholly rewritten rules based on simplicity and then, honestly, special sub rules for various fandom areas

GENERAL RULES
4 points or whatever

US COMIC FANDOM RULES

RPS FANDOM RULES

THEATER FANDOM RULES

With separate rule-wrangler mods who work, oh, July to September every year to hammer out new fandoms and their rules.

Then you can't claim that "Because Sherlock Holmes..." rules should work for the Iron Man umbrella-franchise, nor will the sudden hyper-popular film version of 'Waiting for Godot' with Johnny Depp and Tom Hiddleston (and accompanying RPS-fandom) haveto be handled by mods who weren't even aware that weirdoes want to write stage fanfic for 'Waiting for Godot'.

Re: Simplicity!

(Anonymous)
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Oh, and this would be simpler, because nobody would have to read cryptic rules based on fandom habits they didn't know/care about/understand and try to figure out if they had anything to do with their own sign-ups.

Re: Simplicity!

(Anonymous)
This is a great idea! I wish the mods would see this.

Re: Simplicity!

(Anonymous)
But why shouldn't Sherlock Holms rules work for Iron Man?

Tony Stark fic isn't any more common than BBC Sherlock fic is.

I mean, either you have mods who are fair or mods who aren't.

Re: Simplicity!

(Anonymous)
Because comic fans are prosecuted and Sherlock fans of all stripes are not.

Re: Simplicity!

(Anonymous)
You're right: Tony Stark fic based on the movies isn't any more common than BBC Sherlock fic. But Tony Stark fic (based on the comics, or the Ultimateverse comics, or the Armored Adventures cartoon, or whatever) is significantly LESS common than BBC Sherlock fic.

The point is, both Tony Stark and Sherlock Holmes have one mega-franchise that completely skews their eligibility. So saying that Sherlock can appear as a character in his other Yuletide-eligible fandoms (Elementary, A Study in Emerald, etc.) because he's over 100 years old, but Tony Stark can't appear in HIS other fandoms because he's only 50 years old, is not exactly a fair rule.

Re: Simplicity!

(Anonymous)
Exactly my thoughts. There is no difference. Adaption is adaption. The character's age is irrelevant, the fanwork numbers count.

Re: Simplicity!

(Anonymous)
Huh. It looks like you got your wish, coalie.

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