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heavensqueen wrote in yuletide_coal
Yuletide is firing up the ovens already. Discuss the discussion about the changes of rules here


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Early Yuletide Woe

(Anonymous)
A movie I really wanted to nominate had its release date pushed back from Oct 17th to Oct 31st and is no longer eligible ):

I understand and agree with the ruling but it seems like every year I get passionate about something that comes out late year and wish I could have requested it for Yuletide...

Re: Early Yuletide Woe

(Anonymous)
I know the feeling. Seems like anything that comes out during the last quarter might have a hard time, because interest might dry up by next year's yuletide.

Nominating but not signing up

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Does anyone know if the mods are checking past history of an account nominating but not actually signing up? I used my sock last year to nominate some extra fandoms - (every one of which was requested by me or someone else. I wasn't just padding the tags!) I plan on doing it again this year. But I only have time to write one story, thus only the main account signup.

I saw someone else mention the mods would allow this once, but I have no idea where that number came from. The rules (http://archiveofourown.org/collections/yuletide/profile#nomobligation) say: ...the list of available fandoms should be one that active participants are specifically interested in. That's me! I'll use all 6 of my fandom nominations!

Anyone know more than me about this?

Re: Nominating but not signing up

(Anonymous)
AFAIK, mods have no way of seeing who nominates what. They say "only nominate things you want" in order to hopefully reduce tagset bloat, but they have no way of enforcing that or checking.

quick question

(Anonymous)
Can I nominate something like this "Fandom Name (book or movie)"? I see they mentioned they don't want people nominating things with "& related fandoms" but I don't know if that's the same thing.

Re: quick question

(Anonymous)
I'm under the impression that you'll just have to pick either the book or the movie. "-All Media Types" and "& Related Fandoms" usually does mean book/TV or book/movie fandoms.

Could be wrong though.

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self-published stories

(Anonymous)
http://yuletide-admin.livejournal.com/171681.html?thread=7384225#t7384225

so someone could essentially self-publish three stories (which would be pretty easy seeing as self-publishing doesn't require standards), nominate them all, request only them, and force someone to read one of them and write fanfic about their OCs for Yuletide

it might seem far-fetched that anyone would do that, but god i've seen self-published (aka failed) authors try ridiculously hard to get attention before

Re: self-published stories

(Anonymous)
I saw that. Ugh. It seems like they'd definitely go out to the pinch hit list, though, and only someone who was willing would do it.

The only non-ridiculous version of this is if you self publish and have some friends who like your stories and want to write about them, but in that case let THEM nominate your work.

Is it just me...

(Anonymous)
...Or does everything this year seem, I don't know, more dead? Not many people have pimped their fandoms, there's not really a whole lot of discussion or squee in the brainstorming post, and people just seem less excited/talkative. I know it's still early on, but it still feels very different from previous years around this time.

Re: Is it just me...

(Anonymous)
Maybe everyone's worn out from the eligibility discussion posts.

I, for one, am plenty excited. I'm expressing my excitement over on ffa, though.

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When do you give up?

(Anonymous)
How many times do you request a fandom before you accept nobody will ever write it? I've done one request six times, and I'm thinking of not even nominating the fandom this year.

Re: When do you give up?

(Anonymous)
Depends on 1) how obscure the fandom is, and 2) how enthused you are about other possible fandoms.

Have other people offered the fandom in the past, even though no one's ever written it for you? If yes, then there's a reasonable chance that the people who offered it just weren't one of your matches any of those six times; you could very well luck out on your seventh try! If no one's offered it before, though, then your fandom may in fact be too rare for Yuletide.

Otoh, even if your fandom's completely obscure, you shouldn't necessarily stop requesting it if all of the fandoms you might substitute for it are much less pleasing to you. Obviously, some of your fandoms are matchable since you've managed to participate at least six times. It's not the worst thing in the world to have a single probably-unmatchable request in your sign-up, when the alternative is your possibly receiving a story in a fandom you don't really like.

(Of course, it's also possible that the reason the fandom of your heart isn't being written is that your optional details for that fandom are overly demanding or otherwise unreasonable, and your writers are being scared off of that particular request. ODAO, but if your writers feel that there's no way they could please you with one of your requests, but that your other requests are more manageable, then that could definitely influence them to choose a different fandom to fill, regardless of what fandom they matched on you with.)

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Trick or Treat

(Anonymous)
Anyone thinking up signing up for this exchange? It seems pretty new, so I'm worried that I'd be unmatchable if I were to sign up (since there might not be all that many participants).

Re: Trick or Treat

(Anonymous)
I'm signing up! I think it'll be fun. Maybe if you're worried about matching, make at least a couple of prompts for a larger fandom? But since we're allowed up to 10 prompts/requests, that leaves a lot of room for matching.

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Coal Nominations

(Anonymous)
Do you guys think we should nominate something _coal?

Like
-The Dentist
- The Valet
- The Canary

Re: Coal Nominations

(Anonymous)
No.

FFS, can people stop dragging coal into the main exchange and keep it here where it belongs?

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UNPOPULAR YULETIDE OPINIONS

(Anonymous)
Go go go.

Re: UNPOPULAR YULETIDE OPINIONS

(Anonymous)
Dew claws have a place in every fandom.

01 September 2013
Fandom promotional post
1116 comments


02 September 2014
Promote your fandoms!
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Is Yuletide dying?

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(Anonymous)
I'm the OP of that other thread worrying about Yuletide feeling so much slower and dead this year, so... I feel the same way, needless to say.

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goddamnit nominations hurry up and arrive already

actually, no, LETTERS. I really want letters. Most of my canons are shoe-ins.

Seriously. It's taking so long this year. I can't believe we have to wait until the end of October for letters!

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It sucks that the Yuletide comm on DW isn't "official."

Aiming for Treats

(Anonymous)
This year my requests are designed with the hope of getting treats. I will be annoyed if I don't get any. They include some easy to pick-up canons, and some canons that have been watched by people I've written treats for in the past.

I write lots of treats too, so it goes both ways.

Re: Aiming for Treats

(Anonymous)
Okay...

Sounds to me like you only write treats to get people to write them for you. Maybe that's not true, but you sure come off that way.

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Re: Move to Dreamwidth

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thank you

Things you never got around writing

(Anonymous)
- That sequel to my assignment from three years back

- A treat I started to write during school hours last year, who now reminds me of its unfinished state every second day, when I open that notebook to study.

Re: Things you never got around writing

(Anonymous)
That sequel to my assignment from three years back

You are my soul sister.

Writing a good letter

(Anonymous)
I never request anything I'm not passionate about, but I find it really hard to make that translate into good letters. They always sound stilted, overly formal, and just plain awkward, with very little gushing, squee, or anything else that would make my letter stand out. I think it's probably my own fault for self-censoring; I tend to feel too demanding or incoherent if I write too much babbling.

What are your tips to writing fun or effective letters, _coal?

Re: Writing a good letter

(Anonymous)
One thing I do is put a single paragraph in the AO3 request box, and then repeat that in my letter as the "core" of my request. That way, I hope, the writer has something to go on to start with, and if they're freaked out by a long letter, they'll still do OK.

This is a letter I wrote for last year: http://echobabble.livejournal.com/589.html that I liked. They got several stories, so it's not de-anoning me. I suspect they're a coalie, though - the account sure looks like someone's dentist. Anyway, I liked this letter because:

-It's very positive ("Why I like this canon/fandom" sections are a good way to go)
-It has lots of what-if prompts
-It tells you which characters they nominated, including when those characters are Any, so you don't have to go look in the tag set to see what Any means
-It includes links to the canons

They seem to think it's a long letter, but I'm happy writing for much longer letters.

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Things you hope people ask for, so you can write them

(Anonymous)
Yokai Ningen Bem (the live-action TV show)
Some Diana Wynne Jones books
The Last Unicorn
Fangirl

Re: Things you hope people ask for, so you can write them

(Anonymous)
Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle-Stop Cafe
Tennis RPF (of the f/f persuasion)
Rosemary & Thyme

How to leave better comments

(Anonymous)
I always comment on my gift fics, and I try to say several things so the comment is at least several sentences long. Sometimes I really love my fics, but I have problems saying so, because

a) my praise tends to sound really stiff and artificial, and I don't want my authors to think I'm only pretending I like the story

b) I worry that if I get better at saying "wow author this is amazing", people who wrote for me in the past will feel like I was only pretending before.

I know (b) is kind of dumb because not many authors keep looking to see how their recipients comment on other things. But it still worries me. I am kind of an MNF so it's possible they would check. And some of my previous authors are my friends now.


So, suggestions?

Re: How to leave better comments

(Anonymous)
Don't worry if you can't do that capslocky, flaily, comments consisting of half-finished sentences and too many ellipses and exclamation marks. I'll admit that I enjoy getting those, because it's nice to think I reduced my recip to incoherence, but there are other ways to leave nice comments.

People who are faking polite tend to go for generalities: "Thank you so much for writing for me" or "I'm so glad to see new fic for this fandom". So you should go for specifics: quote specific lines that you enjoyed, compliment your writer on specifics like how Character A's speech patterns are just like in canon or how their idea for Character B's backstory is your new headcanon.

So that's a way to deal with A. Let's move on to B...

To handle the authors you're now friends with, just ask this same question in namespace. Then they'll know that it's not your attitude that's changed just your ability to express it. They may also have helpful suggestions of their own on how to give good feedback.

For people who might not see your namespace post, it is also totally kosher to go back to old giftfics and comment a second time because you were rereading. I've done this randomly five years or so after receiving a gift and the authors were always really happy to see that I was still getting some joy out of it.

Mismatch between kinks and un-kinky canons

(Anonymous)
So this year I want to make it clearer that I'm okay with, even interested in, a variety of kinks and people are welcome to put them in the story.

Only... my canons don't really work with kinky sexual scenarios, or at least, I can't figure out how to make them work that way. Like, in one canon, all the prompts I can think of are worldbuilding or friendships. I don't have a lot of OTPs to actually hang the kink off of.

Am I making any sense? What should I do?

Re: Mismatch between kinks and un-kinky canons

(Anonymous)
In the general likes part of your letter, list off all the kinks you like. In the fandom-specific part of your letter, write down the prompts you've got. If your writer has an idea that works a kink into your prompts, then great. If not, then maybe someone will write you a (pwp?) treat that focuses on your kinks rather than your prompts.

Is anyone else having problems with captchas? I'm just getting an error message where the captcha should be, with no opportunity even to answer a question.

SA

And it let me go through that time, but only because I switched to style=mine.

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Diana Wynne Jones nominations

(Anonymous)
Anyone nominating any of her stuff?

I am contemplating Derkholm. Which are people's favourite characters?

Can we move...?? heavensqueen? PLEASE.

question: asking for any

(Anonymous)
Sorry if this has been asked a billion times before, but I'm still unsure about the "any" choice.
If I request "FANDOM" that has characters A, B, C and D and I want a story with A/B and-or C/D, do I ask for ANY or A, B, C, D or NONE?

Re: question: asking for any

(Anonymous)
I have two answers for this, depending on if the slash in there means you're talking about pairings, or just a combination of characters.

If A/B and C/D are ships that you do not like to see broken up (ie no A/C, A/D, B/C, D/B) then don't select any. Even if you mention it as a big DNW to break up your ships, your author has the right to ODO and they just might ship A/D as their OTP. If they were hoping to match another person who shipped A/D (ie they only offered A and D) and they matched with you because you selected any, they'll be disappointed.

If you're looking for genfic or don't care about pairings, then go ahead and select Any. Again, be aware that the person who matched with you probably only offered a combination of those characters, so you may get a C+B or C/B with A tagging along fic.

If you're in a fandom where you think it's obvious that A+/B and C+/D don't mix (ie like Star Wars you wouldn't expect a story focusing on young Anakin and Obi-wan to interact with Boba and Han Solo) then I'd advise you not to make that assumption. Your writer maybe have offered A, B, C, and D because they had a big time travel plot in mind where they all meet up or something.

Requesting (or Offering) Any is risky business unless you're truely okay with getting literally anything.

Your best bet is picking the combination of characters least likely to match you with a person that has different tastes than you (to bring up an example from last year, Live Free Die Hard fandom is very into John/Matt, so if you offer only those two then you should expect to get a slash request, but if you offer John, Matt, and Lucy then your options become more tricky. Chances are you'll probably get someone who wants John/Matt coming out to Lucy, but you just may get the one Lucy/Matt shipper who wants them coming out to John, which could Ruin Your Yuletide) and then mention in your letter that you also ship C/D, and hey author if you're just stumped on my A/B plots, then heres some C/D ones if you ship/like them too, or you can just tack C/D into an A/B fic too!

Is coal from other exchanges allowed?

(Anonymous)
http://trickortreatex.dreamwidth.org/2276.html?thread=40932#cmt40932

That comment and letter in general, wow. I feel sorry for anyone offering or requesting Queen's Thief and Old Kingdom. I'm requesting Avatar and don't really want a fic from them either.

Re: Is coal from other exchanges allowed?

(Anonymous)
I saw that. It looks like it's their first exchange? On one hand I'm sure they'll do their best no matter what they write, but I sorta kinda wanna leave an anon comment on their letter and let them know that they might want to pick fandoms they either a) know better or b) that have zero change of being requested. At least that way they can game the system and make sure they get assigned to an Avatar match? Sign ups close tomorrow and after that it'll be too late to change.

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