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Open Season on Yuletide 2013
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heavensqueen wrote in yuletide_coal
Welcome back dear coalies, dentists and socks!
Get your shovels, baskets and canaries, and let's go into the coal mine of YT 2013.



While I enjoy what you made out of this comm, I also fear it has grown too big for one person to handle. Please PM me, if you are interested to become a spam-hunter.
Thanks to all who offered to help out. Some moderators have been added, so we should be able to mine our coal this year without people trying to sell us handbags or pills. After all, we just need wank and fic

<3 COAL

(Anonymous)
I missed you so much

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Coal is BAAAAACK! YES. I missed this crazy place (and so did my dentist).

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New rules

(Anonymous)
What do you think?

I like the new schedule. The character-limit and the new lower fic threshold does not interfere with what I plan to write, but may impact me as a reader. I like when there are small fandoms as well as tiny and one person fandoms, because it's more likely I'll know them.

Re: New rules

(Anonymous)
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm glad "& Related Fandoms" fandoms are out this year. I love fairy tales as a genre, but I hate the particular kind of edgy~ (allegedly-)subversive~ archetype-based fairy-tale fic that Yuletide is all over every year.

I look forward to seeing requests and fic based on actual stories.

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New Year's Resolution recs

(Anonymous)
Has anyone found something they really enjoyed in the 2012 resolution collection?

Re: New Year's Resolution recs

(Anonymous)
You mean the most-recent, still-open one?

I quite liked the ones in Castle of Deception (apparently you don't need to know canon), Sally Lockhart, Brothers Bloom, Hark! A Vagrant, and Winter Song. There's lots I didn't try, though, not being interested in the canons.

First year yuletiders

(Anonymous)
I'm finally planning to sign up after only being a reader for a long time and I'm both nervous and excited.

Any other newbies around?

Re: First year yuletiders

(Anonymous)
I'm not completely new, but this is will be my first year nominating?

I am both excited and slightly nervous, since I'm nomming at least one ficless fandom and what if I do something wrong? But, it'll be fun.

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Borderline fandoms

(Anonymous)
What fandoms are you considering that are on the line between acceptance and rejection from Yuletide? What do you think the odds are that they'll make it in? SHOULD they be allowed in?

Re: Borderline fandoms

(Anonymous)
I'd consider writing for Lewis if it got in, but the people asking for it are being such whiny babies about it that I hope it doesn't.

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Fandoms You're Happy Are Ineligable

(Anonymous)
So, who looked at some of the stuff on the banned list and punched the air?

I'll start with the obvious: Welcome to Night Vale. Not because I don't like the show - I love it - but Yuletide is not for getting more Cecil/Carlos.

I'm happy to see the fandom has its own gift exchange, so nobody has anything to complain about.

Re: Fandoms You're Happy Are Ineligable

(Anonymous)
Hannibal and WTNV, because I don't really like either. And more importantly, their fans are obnoxious.

Promoting new fandoms

(Anonymous)
I'm going to nom two new to yuletide fandoms this year. Is it worth it to make a post about them at yuletide, or will writing a good yulegoat letter be enough?

Re: Promoting new fandoms

(Anonymous)
I would. You might find someone else who knows and loves those fandoms and wants to talk specific character noms with you. Or, you might remind people who like that fandom but don't want to request it that it exists, so they remember to offer it. Or, best case scenario, some people go through the fandom pimping post looking for canons to get into. (I found one yesterday that way, although it was also one of the very short canons.)

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Help

(Anonymous)
How do I get linear view?

Re: Help

(Anonymous)
yuletide-coal.livejournal.com/3696.html?view=flat&page=X

Insert number where it says X

To valet or not to valet

(Anonymous)
I'm torn on whether to actually sign up with my sock this year since last year I got two bad assignments and only finished one. I think both accounts still qualify since I wrote treats over 1000 words on both of them, but do I really want to commit to writing two stories?

Is anyone else having this dilemma?

Re: To valet or not to valet

(Anonymous)
I'm thinking of making a sock account for the first time this year. I probably shouldn't since I am very depressed right now and I am not sure I can manage to write two decent stories but I am tempted to try.

Promotional post without an LJ?

(Anonymous)
I deleted my livejournal without prejudice a few years ago, and I don't want my dreamwidth ID connected with my new fandom because reasons.

Commenting anon or with facebook seems to be allowed, but says comments will be screened. If I pimp my fandom in a comment that gets screened, does anyone know offhand if it will be promptly unscreened, or will it just languish there with the spambots?

Re: Promotional post without an LJ?

(Anonymous)
I'm not sure about anon commenting/screening, but could you create a quick sock account just for purposes of Yuletide posting?

I need details

(Anonymous)
Has anyone been hanging out in yuletide chat? Apparently there was talk there of limiting the number of participants in Yuletide? Can anyone confirm or deny?

Re: I need details

(Anonymous)
I'm there a lot, and I haven't seen it. /anecdata


Man, I wish they'd looked at all this in January. If the problems are server load or anything in the back end, the writing was on the wall that ever-increased popularity would cause problems this year.

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Help with matching experiment?

(Anonymous)
I wanted to learn more about how AO3 matching works and what it looks like to mods, so I made an exchange collection for testing. I'd appreciate your help, nonnies!

Just sign up here, enter any random fandom/character from the set: http://archiveofourown.org/collections/experimental_exchange

Names are visible on the profile page, so you might want to bring a low-profile dentist or the one who was only going to help you with nominations. You might get one email saying you've been matched to so-and-so if the AO3 account has a valid address - please ignore that.

Thank you!! :)

Re: Help with matching experiment?

(Anonymous)
My dentist just did. I found I could tick multiple fandoms on the signups page (F1 and F2 for the same request) but when I tried to submit that I got an error message saying that I could only submit one. I didn't realize it would do that.

A Question for Anons Who Are Smarter Than I Am

(Anonymous)
What would be the fallout if instead of nominating three fandoms, or four, or whatever number we end up being allowed to nominate, we're instead only allowed to nominate two, while at sign-ups we have to sign up for a minimum of three different fandoms and offer a minimum of four-six?

I know people would complain about only being able to pick two fandoms of their heart, or four if their dentist also nominated, but since one person is only guaranteed one story out of three prompts, it shouldn't change the outcome. Meanwhile there is one fandom they are guaranteed to match to someone else's nomination which means someone else should be able to write for them, unless they're matched to their dentist in which case they can stop complaining because they brought that one on themselves.

What am I missing? Why won't this work to rectify the problems with too many fandoms and hard to match writers and recipients?

Re: A Question for Anons Who Are Smarter Than I Am

(Anonymous)
Two nominations could potenitally lessen some of the matching problems, but I suppose you mentioned the problem youreself. People will just use dentist to get in additonal nominations. The mods could try it this way, but I'm not sure it would really cut down on the list of fandoms.

And nominations don't mean the person who nominated will actually sign-up, so that somebody nominated it doesn't automatically guarantee that somebody will be there you can be matched to.

Whoop, and we're down a mod

(Anonymous)
Who wants to bet Bridget's "personal reasons" are that she can't take the heat?

Re: Whoop, and we're down a mod

(Anonymous)
Could you have taken that many people being vicious pretentious assholes at you for a decision that wasn't yours?

Just so I'm clear:

A fandom whose main character is tagged in over 2000 stories is ineligible, unless there's someone less ficced-about who can conceivably be considered the main character, or unless the 2000+ character was created at least a century ago, or unless the fandom has fewer than fifty fics total, or unless it's a leap year or the third Thursday of a month.

Is that about right?

Yeah, this is dumb. If they just enforced the standard eligibility limits for fandoms, and trusted comics fans to only request rare characters, a tiny handful of people would stealth-request stories about Batman or Captain America, and we'd all survive that. Instead now we have rules that are ridiculously complicated and mods who look like they can't make up their minds.

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A convoluted question of etiquette

(Anonymous)
There's a fandom I really enjoy writing for currently sitting on the ineligible list. It has 500 fics on ff.net, about 100 on ao3, and no fandom-specific archive, putting it well under the cut-off for rarity.

However, there is a small holiday exchange dedicated to the fandom. It's open to both art and fic, but the vast majority of what gets produced is art. Last year I think there were 13 works and only 3 were fic. The year before that, 12 works and 4 fics.

So, I have two questions.

1) Is trying to get this fandom taken off the ineligible list totally contrary to the spirit of Yuletide and I should just stick to the dedicated exchange?

2) Should I get in touch with the person who runs the dedicated exchange and see what she thinks before I make any moves to get the fandom declared eligible and nominate it? I don't really know her that well, but we've talked a few times. Also, I don't think she's aware of Yuletide in general, if that makes any difference.

Re: A convoluted question of etiquette

(Anonymous)
I think it's totally fine to try to get the fandom off the ineligible list, and I think getting in touch with the dedicated exchange mod is unnecessary. I don't think you'd be stepping on their toes by trying to get the fandom into Yuletide.

I think I like the word 'Valet'

(Anonymous)
First time I've ever made a sock, but that 2-nominations rule freaked me out. I don't know if I'll use it, but I feel a little more secure having the option.

flounce flounce flounce

(Anonymous)
http://yuletide-admin.livejournal.com/151234.html?thread=6322370#t6322370

Actually, you just looked like a mod who made a bad choice (not alone) and who reconsidered it.

The flouncing does make you look like an idiot, though.

Re: flounce flounce flounce

(Anonymous)
I'm sure she made that comment from a state of (imo understandable) upset, but in the Cult of Nice context, it looks passive-aggressive.

I really am sorry she had to bear the brunt of all the bad news, but I don't know that commenting was the wisest choice.

Loaded for Bear

(Anonymous)
Inspired by seeing someone's comment about always getting terrible requests.

How shall we fend off the bears, coalies? (those avatars of stress and doom in Yuletide). Shall we propitiate them with a hue and cry of early-season wank? (this seems to be going OK.) Shall we set 'honey' as the yulechat challenge? Shall we name all our female characters Ursula? Shall we just decide that no, we're not offering the canon with the known-to-be-fussy recipient? Shall we take a vow against Any Characters?

Re: Loaded for Bear

(Anonymous)
Definitely the vow against Any Characters. I'm not quite that versatile, and I'd rather write who I'm good at than give people shite kittyfic.

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YO, COAL NOOBS

(Anonymous)
IT'S DENTIST
STOP PUSHING VALET
IT WONT HAPPEN

Re: YO, COAL NOOBS

(Anonymous)
But some people have a phobia of dentists. Can't they use their valets instead? There's a place for all kind of helpful co-nominators

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TIPS FOR NEWBIES

(Anonymous)
I'm participating for the first time this year. I wanted to participate last year, but I missed nominations and could only find two fandoms I really wanted, so I decided to wait.

What's your advice to first-timers, coalies?

Re: TIPS FOR NEWBIES

(Anonymous)
When requesting: Personally, after a bad experience my first time out, I stick to fandoms where I'll be happy with anything, and I always try to fit all of the important stuff into "optional details" on my request in case I get an author who doesn't read DYW letters.

When offering: Think about how much time you'll need to put in to refresh yourself on canon. If you end up being really busy down the line, it's going to be a lot easier to rewatch a movie or reread a book than it will be to watch a bunch of episodes of a show you're rusty on.

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Requests only your dentist could make

(Anonymous)
Have never gone that route before, but I fear I may be in need of a dentist this year. Or a valet. Or the valet's dentist.

I've had an idea for a request that I'm not sure I want associated with my real account. And no, it's not even porn.

Re: Requests only your dentist could make

(Anonymous)
That's an interesting thought. I hadn't got as far as what my valet (my dentist's valet?? lol) could ask for.

What bugs you about the request that you're worried about? Is it just outside your normal range?

...my guilty urge is to ask for self-indulgent things where my favourite character gets all the love and the character who reminds me of someone nasty IRL gets told off.

What fandoms are you excited to nominate?

Not sure I'll have room to nominate it, but I hope the The Lone Ranger (2013) gets in.

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FANDOMS/PEOPLE YOU'RE AVOIDING

(Anonymous)
and why?

Re: FANDOMS/PEOPLE YOU'RE AVOIDING

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Howl's Moving Castle and Tangled, as always. Someone told Untherius he was being a jerk last year, but I don't trust that it stuck.

AUTHORS YOU HOPE YOU GET (and why)

(Anonymous)
Last year I had someone write me possibly my favorite Yuletide gift ever. It was a good length, it was well-written, the characterization and dialogue were fabulous, and it was exactly what I wanted. I hope I either get her again, or get that sort of fic again. (I'm not naming her because it would de-anon me. It was a fantasy book fandom.)

In terms of specific authors, I would love to get Hradzka. I have liked nearly everything he's written for Yuletide, and his Aliens story was one of my favorites ever. I am pretty sure we have some fandom overlap, too. I would also love to get Ankaret, if she's still doing Yuletide - her original fiction is fantastic, and her fanfic is really good. Or Emilyenrose - her "Bakcheios" was another one of my all-time favorites, and I've really liked most of what she's written.

Re: AUTHORS YOU HOPE YOU GET (and why)

(Anonymous)
IDGAF who writes for me as long as they write me something they worked hard on. No kittyfic, please and thank you.

I don't really follow specific writers from year to year.

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